How It Was, Still Is
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I love Wyoming. We pass through there a couple times a year on our road trips to California. It is absolutely gorgeous, and I practically jump for joy when we cross the Utah/Wyoming state line.
Merry Christmas to you, Charlie and Eli..you make me smile every day..and to those naysayers- you don't have to visit the site- stupid is as stupid does...
Oooh! I got mentioned! squeels in delight
I just figure it's common sense assume some one who has taken in an orphaned coyote would have asked these questions herself. I'm willing to forgive the "nay-sayers" as so often "best intentions" are the worst for animals, but for goodness sake, does one *really* think Shreve (whatever one may personally think of her and her efforts) *didn't* consider the legality?
Charlie is sooo wonderful.
found your "Daily Coyote" quite by accident and have been enjoying it for about a month. never did i even consider legality of keeping a coyote as a pet. just enjoyed it. what must go through some peoples minds to think about something like than rather than enjoy what is there.
What a miserable existance they must lead to have to try to spoil it for every one else. would they rather Charlie starve or be left to other predators instead of enjoying the life he has now?
I pity them.
Bless you Shreve for your kindness to Charlie and Eli.
One word for your blog: archives.
You've become popular. Time to start organizing. :)
Season's Greetings Shreve
Love and peace to you, Charlie, and Eli at this time.
A buddy of mine does Wolfie Rescue and he turned me on to your Charlie site which I am enjoying so much that I check in on you all every day. He has shared with me some of far out questions concerning Wolfie's and the ignorance can really do harm to the critters, but unfortunately some folks rather wag their tongues than be helpful?
Any how just wanted to throw my two cents on the table to let you know I think you three are too cute and sweet. Keep up the good way of living.
Merry Christmas,
Terry
i have no idea how i came across your site...? im still scratching my head, however, i could not have found it a moment too soon,a very dark week i have had and yourpictures are just the light that light my heart.
your pictures are beautiful, an animal lover my self i am appreciative and aware of the respect that theses characters have for you to trust them , drove from wv(home) to ca years ago and your areas are some of the most breath taking left to be seen.
congratulations for living what you love and loving what you live...this is something few can acheive...
Stunning! We need to make a trip out West to show our son how beautiful it is!
Woozy W00t! Thanks for shutting down scrooge and in so gentlemanly a manner.
To Shreve, Charlie, Eli, and the rest of you, too, Happy Holidays.
Oh.. I want to live there. Mm.. gorgeous. When I'm out of a school and can support myself.. perhaps as an artist or a ranch hand: The Prairies here I come.
What a miserable existance they must lead to have to try to spoil it for every one else.
Well, for every one story of a shreve saving a coyote's life and having a wonderful experience, there's two or three stories of a well-meaning but ultimately unintelligent person taking in a wild animal and over-estimating himself and his self-perceived "special rapour" and ultimately causing unnescessary tragedy with his lack of understanding and/or naivete and/or inappropriate anthropomorphism (animal contracts deasease, spread desease, bear gets tired of living in a two bed-room penthouse on a vegan diet and kills owner, Wolf treated like a great big collie eats a poodle at the local dog park, etc. etc. the list goes on and on and on). So I don't object to the nay-sayers initial cynacism. But what I find annoying is their assumed superior knowledge. If one is going to say "xxxxxxxx" it'd be polite to look up "xxxxxxxxx" first to verify it is true and then say. "I wonder if you considered xxxxxxx" A casual glance of the blog assures one of any initial misgivings.
"Do you even know what coyotes eat?" "Do you know what might happen when a coyotes sense of territory and access gets changed?" "Do you know anything about release and rehabilitation?" "What about disease and/or parasites" are All very good and fair questions, but it's pretty arrogant and insulting to ask them in such a superior holier than thou manner. A very cursory glance at this blog makes it pretty clear Shreve has considered most of these questions. Now if, by chance I happened to be coyote expert and knew what I was talking about perhaps I would chime in "When feeding Charlie raw elk, I hope you are aware that he should restrain for half on hour from standing on his head lest the pseodu-claminoxtin enzimes get disoriented and cause his eyes to become gangly and his legs to become sharp and accute" but to want to be a not very knowledgable buttinski saying "Don't you know coyote keeping is illegal and I bet you just picked charlie up 'cause he's cute and never even considered his needs" is just rude and patronizing.
And annoying.
Anyhow, Happy Holidays. Be sure to look at the moon and mars tonight and howl.
Did I tell you that I received your calendar, The Daily Coyote 2008?
Let me tell you again! I have it and it's wonderful. Great photography. I'll look forward to each month next year.
All the best,
bill
"In studying the traits and dispositions of the so-called lower animals, and contrasting them with man's, I find the result humiliating to me."
--Mark Twain (author)
Cathy in Washington
http://www.animalliberationfront.
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Every single one of us who keeps an animal as a pet - not livestock, a 'working' dog, or a cat kept just to keep mice and rats down - is descended from the primitive humans who first traded a place by their fire and a share of their food for the pleasure of a warm furry bundle curled up on their feet at night, or the feel of a trusting head under their hand as they stood facing the world. As I, and many others, have said before, that's where the first 'domestic' dogs and cats came from!
I realise some of the nay-sayers do actually mean well, but I can't help feeling that most of them are the sort of people who just KNOW they know best!
A very Merry Christmas and a Happy New Year to Shreve, Charlie and Eli. I love your pictures, and especially I love your Humanity, Shreve!
In all honesty - I wasn't aware that you "owned" Charlie.
just discovered you and Charlie and Eli, and both of your blogs. Heaven! The best Christmas gift ever.
Your text and photos, your way of life, your descriptions of Charlie and Eli, the careful respectful perception of their awakening to their world and the world you all live in-- oh my, it all makes me happy.
Thanks, Shreve. Merry Christmas
From this photo and many of the ones showing Charlie in the local landscape, I can understand why fell in love with Wyoming. It is beautiful in a quiet way.
Merry Christmas! This is my new daily addiction. I work on the computer all day at work and enjoy looking at the photos/posts. For those of you who question what Shreve has done, why question something that you know nothing about or what it is like. Without Shreve and Eli, Charlie would have surely been killed either by another animal or the elements. Charlie is loved and he knows it and like any domesticated animal he deserves that much. His mother was killed, Shreve and Eli were lucky enough to become the ones to love him. Shreve has always stated from the beginning that she knows he is a wild animal and would never force him to be a "pet" but at the same time she isn't going to kick him out. Charlie needs to feel safe and he obviously does, Charlie comes back for that and many other reasons. He isn't chained up nor put in a cage, he has free reign of the home and land around him. I have to give KUDOS to Woozy, you made some wonderful statements and did it in a dignified way. I admire that as well as having truth to back up your statements. Shreve and Eli, keep up the wonderful work taking care of Charlie and keeping us updated on his life. Thank you!! It is a wonderful thing you have done for him
Considering how they are hunted in your area, even if it was illegal to share your home with him, I would applaud you for your efforts to keep him safe. You have something amazing a beautiful. Thanks again for sharing your experience with him.
Thank you for sharing Charlie. What you are doing is really beautiful. You and Charlie are truly gifts to each other. Merry Christmas.
I miss it SO much. The peace and calmness that is there is one of the most beautiful thinsg I've ever seen. Everyday I'm not there seeing it in person it's sda, but your pictures show me that my beautiful state is still how I remember it
Merry Christmas to everyone!
There are plenty of wild life “experts” (rehabilitators) and other individuals who know what is best for everyone and everything and are grimly determined to help ... a.k.a. From previous posts elsewhere ... Stefan, anonomouse, anonymous, phyllis
Using common resources – e.g. Dictionary and the Federal Government's “Code of Federal Regulations” and the United States Code (USC) - we can quickly determine several things ...
According to the dictionary (actually several)
The definition of “wild” is consistently described as “living in a state of nature; not tamed or domesticated: a wild animal; wild geese.”
The definition of “domesticated” is consistently described as (1) “to convert (animals, plants, etc.) to domestic uses; tame” or (2) “to tame (an animal), esp. by generations of breeding, to live in close association with human beings as a pet or work animal and usually creating a dependency so that the animal loses its ability to live in the wild”
According to the Code of Federal Regulations (CFR) – there is no explicit mention of coyote as being given any special or protected status. Rather, the CFR is consistent is referencing coyote as a pest animal. Multiple references exist regarding hunting and disposal of remains. In fact, 50CFR17 (PART 17_ENDANGERED AND THREATENED WILDLIFE AND PLANTS) mentions the coyote in the same content as dogs – but only with respect to the wild wolf being contaminated by association – see example page 185
(D) If the animal is determined not to be a wild gray wolf or if the Service or agencies designated by the Service determine the animal shows physical or behavioral evidence of hybridization with other canids, such as domestic dogs or coyotes, or of being an animal raised in captivity, it will be returned to captivity or killed.
This not only indicates that the coyote is associated by the Federal Government in the same context as a dog – but also explicitly indicates that the (endangered) wolf may become raised in captivity. It seems that the government have nothing to say about domestic coyote – but does explicitly allow for a domesticated (endangered) wolf.
Additional reference – See 50CFR17 section 40
Looking within the United States Code (USC) also gives no special determination to the coyote – it is not listed as “endangered” or “threatened”. (See 16USC1533, TITLE 16—CONSERVATION, CHAPTER 35--ENDANGERED SPECIES)
I advance that Charlie is not a “wild animal” because he is now domesticated (using the words from the dictionary).
Merry Christmas! Did Charlie get a present? Hope everyone is enjoying the snow.
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